We all use routines to some extent but in my experience combining material with improvisation (or contextual improvisation of routines) is far more effective than simply stacking lines. You should get to the point where you don’t need to rely on routines to be effective. I don’t use openers, for example, in about 90% of my interactions. It’s either always improvised or it’s “hi” followed by an improvised follow up.

If your friend can’t get attraction or a solid number without the routines, then his improv abilities aren’t as strong as they should be. Most of what I do infield is based on non verbals, so the actual words aren’t THAT important. You should be able to get consistent attraction without using a single routine if necessary. It’d be a little bit like having an NBA player who couldn’t make a shot unless he hit the backboard. Like if he was shooting from the corner, he’d miss every time. Even if every other aspect of his game was impressive, the fact that he absolutely NEEDS the backboard is a pretty severe issue.

He could also improvise particularly in social circle situations. He wrote me a routine and assisted me with many aspects of my life including changing my appearance, my beliefs, understanding value at a deeper level as well with basic pick up skills.

He stressed that you need routines to build the skill sets you mention and is clearly a master at all facets of game but he continues to use routines in field even today.
He won’t even take a woman’s number without it because he believes she probably has an ulterior motive or it will be a flake whereas if he runs his routines, its 80% or better likely he will end up in bed with her within a couple of weeks.

He stated that based on his looks, most of the time the woman will not be very attracted if he does not get through his routine. I have watched him open hundreds of sets and can vouch for that. If he gets through it she seems entranced, otherwise she just acts like he is another dude in the bar making regular conversation. It’s weird at times.

I asked him once about this idea of eventually dropping them and his reply was that if you want to have consistent results, you need to stick with them similar to a great sales person who can improvise if needed but prefers to stick with his fixed sales presentation that works almost 100% of the time.

So I guess he is a “routine monkey” but even when a community guru person saw him they said he should be coaching so he must be pretty good. Is the only one out there? Everyone including you seems to be knocking routines, I have yet to hear anyone outside of MM who still supports using them 100% of the time and even Lovedrop talks about dropping the routines at some point and just being more natural.

Mark B
P.S it’s good to see someone teaching who is not also a naturally good looking person. If one more great looking guy tells me he can just teach me how to be completely natural, I am going to puke.

I don’t think either extreme approach is ideal — some students need routines, others don’t. To give every student the same curriculum regardless of his situation is like pounding a square peg into a round hole — ineffective.

Now I can think more logically and use it for the right way to benefit myself.I was doing a lot of boring interview questions which is what I thought is natural/authentic but it’s so boring and repetitive.Routines are like interesting story that had been told many times to friends or family or co-workers. I observed naturals talkative person in their 40s 50s they always have some little stories to add to the conversation from the PAST, which means it was a routine used again and again but in different setting and time. They said it because it was interesting and relevant.