As for DjFuji’s response, I agree 100% + .

Short set theory is advanced shit. You don’t wanna be doing short set theory if you don’t have the balls to stay in a set after the set tells you to fuck off.
If you have your good stuff down(the non verbal game), and you can plow through sets and surf them, even if big waves come up, you can use Short Set theory.
It is a very good concept, just work the room because everyone will like you.

However on the other hand, if you’re still in a place where you think ‘oh how should i open her’ , ‘should i go over the shoulder or just go kino open them’ .
If you’re at this state, you’ll come across as ‘TRYHARD’ in the whole room.
As for the social proof, you’ll wreck it.

But if you can just subcomunicate that you are the shit and you are truely in the moment, and you’re having fun with everyone, OR RATHER THEY ARE HAVING FUN BECAUSE YOU ARE THERE, then you wanna do Short Sets, and the in the end work your target.

Everything has situational relevance, the field is where it happens.
Do 500-1000 sets with short set theory(if you are entitled to it), and pick whether or not it works for you.

In the end, whatever technique/theory you are using, field test it as much as you can before coming to a conclusion with it.
Working the room works awesome for me, in day games i have double the success because places are quiet and since i engage people like they know me instead of I am ‘walking up to them’ , I am already preselected.
This is going deeper into the insight,
but as long as you have the INTENT to get her, you’ll get her regardless of what you use. Because you WANT her.

peace

Yes, I agree that you do need to build some of that intuition. It takes time to just get the “feel” of social interaction. I beg to differ with Erica and I am more inclined to see your point of view.

Yes it would be nice to just go by “feel” but if you don’t know what that “intuition” if you haven’t had it in the first place. Meaning that you need social interactions to see where your words or openings make sense.

I agree with Mike’s flow chart. Once you get comfortable, the flow chart will eventually disappear because you have developed that “intuition” over time and time again with meeting groups.

Thanks,

FAB

Push_Each_Interaction. If I met her today I would have lead her to a different part of the bar, or to a nearby eatery.

great advice DJ. thanks

Having a flow chart like this is like having a flow chart for picking martial arts. (if you’re 500 lbs, do sumo; if you’re short and stocky, do ground fighting/wrestling; if you have long legs, muay thai/kickboxing).

Relying on intuition is only as effective as said individual’s intuition. For example, instead of teaching a karate student to side step a punch, block, and counter attack, i could just simply tell him to use his intuition and then repeatedly punch him in the face and wonder why he keeps getting hit.

Synthetic intuition is developed through cognitive understanding, repeated exposure, and experience. In other words, you can’t expect a newbie to “know” what to do if you haven’t taught him what to do. If his “intuition” worked, he wouldn’t be a newbie.

That said, you can, indeed, start a conversation with someone and then ‘switch’ to someone else sitting next to them. For example, you could be on the train and see an attractive woman sitting next to an older lady with a dog. You could walk up and open the older lady with the dog, chat for a few minutes, and then bring the target into the conversation.

For crying out loud, a flow chart for talking to girls? Forgive me, but no no no no no. Way too up in the head.

(And I have the utmost respect for DJ Fuji’s work, and his speech was awesome, so don’t get me wrong)

But intuition will get the job done for you and you won’t need to keep so much info in your head or reconcile competing pickup theories.

Has anyone in their travels out there experimented with trains/buses as “rooms” which you may work ? That is, can bar tactics be applied ?

And if one were ‘ready’ for short-set theory, would that be applicable ? The radically interesting flattener is that most people are absolutely quiet and will often “tune in” if interesting conversations get started up around them. In this case, can you start talking to some people close to a target of yours in hopes of soon after talking to that target ?

You’re absolutely correct in that you shouldn’t do short-set at this point. You should stay in set and push every interaction. Follow the fundamentals. That’s what you need right now.